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 Post subject: Re: Cobra #12 *SPOILERS*
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:51 pm 
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Cobra Commander's replacement? Chuckles, obviously.

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 Post subject: Re: Cobra #12 *SPOILERS*
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Cobra Commander's replacement? Chuckles, obviously.
You may want to reconsider that opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Cobra #12 *SPOILERS*
 Post Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:45 am 
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I've returned from a long hiatus but lurked time to time as I've been following GIJoe: Cobra on my iPad (yes, I now have the IDW app without having to go to the comic shop anymore). The storyline's situation is very interesting in the way it's set up. I want you guys to think about this. The supposed original symbol for Cobra is the ouroborous (similar to the Millennium tv series) where it's a snake eating it's own tail, albeit the idea of 'what goes around, comes around' or the concept of Zoroastrianism (look it up on wiki).

Someone mentioned Chuckles as his replacement. I don't think it's him even though it'd be a neat twist as if he was being 'groomed' to 'go so far' as CC has mentioned. My problem with the series is that CC's back history and identity has never been established nor revealed, except for all the Cobra agents in the Origin storylines and whatnot.

And I don't think it's the 'Mad Monk'. My theory? I have two of them who the new CC will be:

1. His OTHER brother ( I know someone on here mentioned this)

2. Billy (a revamped version if I think IDW has ideas for him)

So instead of the new CC having 'vengeance' on Snake Eyes with a vendetta, it's CC's anger towards Chuckles for popping his bro. But this one makes no sense, really since the only thing I can think the best way for CC to play mind games with everyone is to have a FRED program with 'look a likes' to make it harder to distinguish who is the real CC, making it easier for him to blend in.

It is also possible Chuckles shot the wrong person under the CC mask. Think Mission: Impossible 3 where Cruise's character switched places with another guy near the ending, faking out the villain. An important clue is to question WHY CC is headquartered or hiding in the Japanese islands in the middle of nowhere. Does this imply his nationality as Storm Shadow is close by in the area? Something to think about.

The MOST important clue, also, is WHY is'nt Storm Shadow there to bodyguard him? One would tend to think he always has good 'ol Tommy near by for his protection.

The most plausible conclusion would be having Billy surface out of nowhere and claim the leadership, unless Zartan gets the cute idea of 'impersonating' him for a while. I would like to see IDW do their own take of Billy instead of the DDP/Marvel version.


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 Post subject: Re: Cobra #12 *SPOILERS*
 Post Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:19 pm 
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Sanctum1972 wrote:
It is also possible Chuckles shot the wrong person under the CC mask. Think Mission: Impossible 3 where Cruise's character switched places with another guy near the ending, faking out the villain.
IDW has confirmed that was CC.
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The MOST important clue, also, is WHY is'nt Storm Shadow there to bodyguard him? One would tend to think he always has good 'ol Tommy near by for his protection.
I don't think Storm Shadow is CC's bodyguard in this continuity. In fact, Tommy reports some Japanese guy who will be one of the candidates to replace Cobra Commander.

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The most plausible conclusion would be having Billy surface out of nowhere and claim the leadership, unless Zartan gets the cute idea of 'impersonating' him for a while. I would like to see IDW do their own take of Billy instead of the DDP/Marvel version.
I don't see it. This version of Cobra seems to be a bit more organized than the Marvel version so I don't see Billy just coming in claiming leadership. According to the press realeases for the upcoming Cobra Civil War, 7 candidates for the commander position were chosen by Cobra's council. Those 7 will then compete for the position by killing the most Joes (not really happy about the Joe killing part). Anyway, unless Billy is among those candidates, I can't see him taking over leadership.


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 Post subject: Re: Cobra #12 *SPOILERS*
 Post Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:58 pm 
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It is also possible Chuckles shot the wrong person under the CC mask. Think Mission: Impossible 3 where Cruise's character switched places with another guy near the ending, faking out the villain.
IDW has confirmed that was CC.
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The MOST important clue, also, is WHY is'nt Storm Shadow there to bodyguard him? One would tend to think he always has good 'ol Tommy near by for his protection.
I don't think Storm Shadow is CC's bodyguard in this continuity. In fact, Tommy reports some Japanese guy who will be one of the candidates to replace Cobra Commander.

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The most plausible conclusion would be having Billy surface out of nowhere and claim the leadership, unless Zartan gets the cute idea of 'impersonating' him for a while. I would like to see IDW do their own take of Billy instead of the DDP/Marvel version.
I don't see it. This version of Cobra seems to be a bit more organized than the Marvel version so I don't see Billy just coming in claiming leadership. According to the press realeases for the upcoming Cobra Civil War, 7 candidates for the commander position were chosen by Cobra's council. Those 7 will then compete for the position by killing the most Joes (not really happy about the Joe killing part). Anyway, unless Billy is among those candidates, I can't see him taking over leadership.


Where does it say that Storm Shadow mentions a japanese guy is a candidate to take over? Does IDW explicit state or hint the identity? It can't be the Hard Master or someone within the Arashikage clan?

As for the 7 candidates to the chosen and tasked to kill the most Joes in order to be CC, let me ask you this then. How, then, did the original CC get this position originally? Did he kill a lot of Joes to be CC himself? Is this a standard ritual by Cobra? There is a gap of logic here going on that if this is ritualistic by going after military targets, the only Cobras I can see pulling that off would be Zartan, Storm Shadow and maybe Baroness. Firefly, possibly. This takes subterfuge and stealth to take the Joes out. Secondly, who GIVES the 7 candidates the task to kill the most Joes? Is there a Board of Cobras? Who writes these ritualistic rules if not Serpentor?

This means, there is something going on above CC and Serpentor's heads that are directing the 7 candidates to meet that objective. The idea of Cobra going "Okay, seven candidates. We have a contest for you! Pop the most Joes and you win the throne!". Who's telling them this? Or is this a mutually agreed contest between the seven candidates?

Seriously. How retarded is this? Why not target important people OTHER than the Joes to meet the objective or to kill just ONE very difficult target. A race by seven members to pop just one person.

And most importantly, does Cobra have a back up plan for every CC successor? If this IDW version of CC is different, does this mean there were lines of presiding CC's over the years? If he is indeed the original, then why did'nt IDW reveal much of who he is and his origin? Something tells me that Chuckles is going to regret greatly for killing CC when he finds out this guy's real identity.


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 Post subject: Re: Cobra #12 *SPOILERS*
 Post Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:25 am 
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Where does it say that Storm Shadow mentions a japanese guy is a candidate to take over? Does IDW explicit state or hint the identity? It can't be the Hard Master or someone within the Arashikage clan?
Storm Shadow currently reports to a guy named Oyabun Satori. He first appeared in issue #25 of the main title. Satori appears to be underneath CC in the organization prior to the Commander's death. I will admit that I thought IDW confirmed Satori as a candidate. The idea that Satori is a candidate came from a fan site http://www.theterrordrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=10621. The article contains a Q&A session with IDW so that's why I thought it was confirmed by IDW. That said, the author does seem to be in the know and we see Satori (alongside Storm Shadow) on one of the Civil War covers so I still feel pretty confident that he will be a candidate.
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As for the 7 candidates to the chosen and tasked to kill the most Joes in order to be CC, let me ask you this then. How, then, did the original CC get this position originally?
Who knows? But it's strongly implied that Cobra is centuries old so he couldn't be the first commander. And it has been confirmed by IDW that Cobra Commander is a position that others have held before the current Commander was offed.
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Did he kill a lot of Joes to be CC himself?
Doubt it since Cobra only became aware of G.I. Joe's existence right around the time this series began.
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Is this a standard ritual by Cobra? There is a gap of logic here going on that if this is ritualistic by going after military targets, the only Cobras I can see pulling that off would be Zartan, Storm Shadow and maybe Baroness. Firefly, possibly. This takes subterfuge and stealth to take the Joes out.
I don't know if this is standard practice for selecting a leader but it's possible that they're targeting the Joes because it's the first time in Cobra's history that they've faced a serious threat.
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Secondly, who GIVES the 7 candidates the task to kill the most Joes? Is there a Board of Cobras? Who writes these ritualistic rules if not Serpentor?
This means, there is something going on above CC and Serpentor's heads that are directing the 7 candidates to meet that objective.
There is a council that's made up of high ranking members of Cobra. We haven't seen who sits on it yet. I'm under the impression that they don't run Cobra's daily operation (that's the job of the Commander) but serve as sort of a board of directors to the Commander's position as CEO. I'd say no one member of the council has authority to override the Commander but acting as a group they have more power than the Commander.
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The idea of Cobra going "Okay, seven candidates. We have a contest for you! Pop the most Joes and you win the throne!". Who's telling them this? Or is this a mutually agreed contest between the seven candidates?

Seriously. How retarded is this? Why not target important people OTHER than the Joes to meet the objective or to kill just ONE very difficult target. A race by seven members to pop just one person.
Okay, I'm with you on this. I'm hoping that this is poorly worded marketing because killing a couple of grunts doesn't sound that impressive. I understand that G.I. Joe is a threat but killing guys like Bazooka doesn't do much damage. I'm hoping that the goal is to utterly destroy, disband or discredit the Joes.
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And most importantly, does Cobra have a back up plan for every CC successor?
Don't know. We've only been given a glimpse of how Cobra operates. Hopefully, this upcoming storyline will shed more light on the organization.
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Something tells me that Chuckles is going to regret greatly for killing CC when he finds out this guy's real identity.
Sounds like you haven't read Cobra 13 yet so I'll leave this one unanswered.


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 Post subject: Re: Cobra #12 *SPOILERS*
 Post Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:55 pm 
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So I read this knowing the big surprise, but it was still good. Hadn't anticipated that Xamot would have such a plan.

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